Lost Respect for a High Rank Guild or Two... - Guild Wars Forums

max gladius · Mar 30, 2007, 02:21 PM // 14:21

I use to respect alot of guilds, for alot of reasons...

1 of those reasons being Guild Ladder Rank and such... you see people running around from certain tags, and have capes with special borders..

Untill the latest.....

Not saying any names, but ive noticed 2 guilds both in Kamaden spamming the following...

SELLING GUILD INVITE TO SILVER (or such color) BORDERED CAPE GUILD... 10K EACH....

So, they send invite, then they kick person 10 mins later.... i mean, ya, they earned the cape, or their guildies did... but does anyone else feel that that is giving other high ranked guilds a bad name, the ladder deserves respect, and all guilds should respect themselves and such as well as other guilds...

This posting is probably in the wrong area... but i honestly feel that it is geared more toward the PVPer then anyone in any other area, and i wanted as many pvpers to see it, because i would love to see their inputs.... because they all get the bad wrap for a few ppl, and i would guess that they read threads here more then anywhere else....

And... new member to guild... never played pvp day in is life, gets into argument... what do u think first thing he will pull.... "look at my guild cape"... then, he gets put in his place, either verbal or fighting... that reflect bad on his guild, other guilds, and the entire guild ladder...

How can you put a price on your honor? Not just the honor you have "earned" by winning such a reward, but the honor of those you have beaten?

Please also read my posting #113 on this page before posting anything....
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0136766&page=6

Don't flare this up or troll on it either!

*nice fast replies, didnt want to repost, just edited... and it is hurting some ppl... Joe Smoe, had 9.4k, sells a few things real fast to get his 10k.... his first 10k ever... (note i said kamaden is where they r selling invites, that is noob island headquarters) even saw 1 guild selling invite for 1k... then guy joins guild 10 mins later needs another guild*

*edit to add link to my other post

Bankai · Mar 30, 2007, 02:25 PM // 14:25

[izzy] was also inviting pvers for 10k, I believe, while they were rank 1.

Ofcourse, it was a joke-guild.

The only thing that bothers me is that they kick the person.

Lord Mendes · Mar 30, 2007, 02:26 PM // 14:26

they can do whatever the hell they want, and they really dont care abt respect from RAers.

Llint · Mar 30, 2007, 02:26 PM // 14:26

The real question you have to ask yourself is, is this hurting anybody? If someone wants the artificial 'fame' or cape(In the sense that its not actually theirs) then let them. I cant really say I care... Just my opinion though :P

Blame the Monks · Mar 30, 2007, 02:29 PM // 14:29

The funny thing is people know they are being scammed and don't care. When my guild had a pseudo breakup, a guildmate sold invites. I was pissed and told them all they were being scammed.

But none of them minded. They blabbered on about how it was an honor to have a silver cape for a little while and 25k wasn't much money and so on. They knew, and didn't care. What may seem like a scam to you seems like a perfectly reasonable purchase for others.

Whatever tickles your pickle I suppose.

Elrodien · Mar 30, 2007, 02:32 PM // 14:32

I seen a guy in Int districts in HA doing the same. I called him a scammer coz thats all it is. Whoever thought this was a great idea is an asshole and has no scruples or respect for anyone but themselves.

The guild in question have members post here btw. Guys, you should know better you idiots.

yesitsrob · Mar 30, 2007, 02:34 PM // 14:34

If they give them people they invite like some time to get a screenshot with the cape, I think that's fair. That's what a lot of these people want, I don't see any harm in making a bit of gold out of it.

Lord Mendes · Mar 30, 2007, 02:56 PM // 14:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elrodien

I seen a guy in Int districts in HA doing the same. I called him a scammer coz thats all it is. Whoever thought this was a great idea is an asshole and has no scruples or respect for anyone but themselves.

The guild in question have members post here btw. Guys, you should know better you idiots.

Why is he a scammer?
Both parties know what's coming, both parties are ok with the deal.

Elrodien · Mar 30, 2007, 03:20 PM // 15:20

Both parties DON'T know whats coming though. A friend of mine had nearly bought the invite thinking he was getting in the aformentioned guild to stay, not just for 10 mins. There are probably a lot of young pvpers out there thinking they have finally struck it lucky only to feel humiliated when they get kicked.

The scammer doesn't make it clear that what he is selling is basically a photo oppurtunity. Maybe if they made this clear, it wouldn't stink so much, but they don't.

Shmanka · Mar 30, 2007, 03:38 PM // 15:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elrodien

Both parties DON'T know whats coming though.

If the average player was above the age of 14, they would know. If they actually expect to "stay" in the guild like as a core member/whatnot someone is really disillusioned outside the game alone.

Lord Mendes · Mar 30, 2007, 03:52 PM // 15:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elrodien

Both parties DON'T know whats coming though. A friend of mine had nearly bought the invite thinking he was getting in the aformentioned guild to stay, not just for 10 mins. There are probably a lot of young pvpers out there thinking they have finally struck it lucky only to feel humiliated when they get kicked.

The scammer doesn't make it clear that what he is selling is basically a photo oppurtunity. Maybe if they made this clear, it wouldn't stink so much, but they don't.

As far as I know they had 70 members last night. Maybe they were kicking when they maxes out on 100.

fenix · Mar 30, 2007, 04:09 PM // 16:09

Yeah, you're all wrong. The guilds in question aren't kicking people. They're just inviting them until they're full, because they're gonna remake the guild, so might as well let some players have fun by being in a top guild, and make a few plat out of it. I was talking to a guy from one of the guilds, he said that ~80 people had joined the guild, but 20 had left on their own accord, so there was still 60 there.

If you are new, and pay to join the guild, then you shouldn't be playing imo. It' just retarded thinking that you have to pay 10k to actually join a guild that is being serious.

tomcruisejr · Mar 30, 2007, 05:19 PM // 17:19

Counter-scam them. Tell them to send the Invite first and don't pay. They will kick you but your name is in their guild history.

Win-win. Be wise guys.

Wilhelm · Mar 30, 2007, 05:34 PM // 17:34

In ID1 earlier, a certain Silver caped guild was spamming 10k for a day lawl.

Then again, someone did pay 1000k for a Bronze Colored guild.

Sofonisba · Mar 30, 2007, 06:15 PM // 18:15

I think the loss of respect the OP is talking about has to do with the fact that the top-ranked guilds who sell temp memberships are actually selling out their own hard work (or their fellow guildies' work) for a bit of cash. Not necessarily about the potential "scam" factor.

Wow, now everyone can have a screenie of themselves wearing a champion's cape... how... very special... a'la "Yeah, that's me when I was in that rank 2 guild... but meh, I left to pursue other opportunities..."

Dextus Ironheart · Mar 30, 2007, 06:31 PM // 18:31

As one of the people currently selling invites i see no harm in doing so. We simply want to make some cash in the time we have our trim remaining, the only time we've kicked those invited is if they've bugged members of the alliance or simply refuse to listen to things. Many of the pve's that we have invited care little about 10k and almost all people will pay in advance. Im curious about what actually we are scamming seems as we are selling the invite then they get the invite.. its not as if we're saying ooo u can be on our gvg team only 10k or something. Anyways its free money we might as well.
All members paid 10-50k and there was probably another 20-30
PS:
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Edit by Billiard: No WTS here please, even if it was in jest.

Sofonisba · Mar 30, 2007, 07:51 PM // 19:51

It's cool, really. You deserve something for your hard work, definitely, I'll agree with that.

Just be aware that when peeps see gold/silver/bronze lined capes, that some (like me) will assume they're looking at someone who actually had zero to do with the guild's success.

max gladius · Mar 30, 2007, 08:03 PM // 20:03

^^^ my point exactly!

so, u got joe nub, paid 10k to get into ur guild, talks alot of smack, gets tuned up bad.... (done it got the video on youtube), then ur guild, as well as all other siver / bronze / whatever lined capes get bad raps....

and you, as a guild and pvper who worked hard to earn their cap, get bad raps.....

finaly, someone sees my point...

headcarb · Mar 30, 2007, 08:10 PM // 20:10

seen team everfrost do it and kick

Nkah Sennyt · Mar 30, 2007, 08:34 PM // 20:34

Guilds get cape trims from playing well, not being nice. There's nothing really wrong with what they're doing - the players don't have to accept the invite in the first place - imo, any blame rests squarely in their hands, not those "selling" the invites.

Mar 30, 2007, 06:31 PM // 18:31	#16
Dextus Ironheart Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Oct 2005 Guild: Epic Failing Europeans [Euro] Profession: R/Mo	As one of the people currently selling invites i see no harm in doing so. We simply want to make some cash in the time we have our trim remaining, the only time we've kicked those invited is if they've bugged members of the alliance or simply refuse to listen to things. Many of the pve's that we have invited care little about 10k and almost all people will pay in advance. Im curious about what actually we are scamming seems as we are selling the invite then they get the invite.. its not as if we're saying ooo u can be on our gvg team only 10k or something. Anyways its free money we might as well. All members paid 10-50k and there was probably another 20-30 PS: --------------------------------------------------- *Edit by Billiard: No WTS here please, even if it was in jest.* Last edited by Dextus Ironheart; Mar 30, 2007 at 07:42 PM // 19:42..

Mar 30, 2007, 02:21 PM // 14:21	#1
max gladius Yep, really is me... Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: My House Guild: L33t	Lost Respect for a High Rank Guild or Two... I use to respect alot of guilds, for alot of reasons... 1 of those reasons being Guild Ladder Rank and such... you see people running around from certain tags, and have capes with special borders.. Untill the latest..... Not saying any names, but ive noticed 2 guilds both in Kamaden spamming the following... SELLING GUILD INVITE TO SILVER (or such color) BORDERED CAPE GUILD... 10K EACH.... So, they send invite, then they kick person 10 mins later.... i mean, ya, they earned the cape, or their guildies did... but does anyone else feel that that is giving other high ranked guilds a bad name, the ladder deserves respect, and all guilds should respect themselves and such as well as other guilds... This posting is probably in the wrong area... but i honestly feel that it is geared more toward the PVPer then anyone in any other area, and i wanted as many pvpers to see it, because i would love to see their inputs.... because they all get the bad wrap for a few ppl, and i would guess that they read threads here more then anywhere else.... And... new member to guild... never played pvp day in is life, gets into argument... what do u think first thing he will pull.... "look at my guild cape"... then, he gets put in his place, either verbal or fighting... that reflect bad on his guild, other guilds, and the entire guild ladder... How can you put a price on your honor? Not just the honor you have "earned" by winning such a reward, but the honor of those you have beaten? Please also read my posting #113 on this page before posting anything.... http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0136766&page=6 Don't flare this up or troll on it either! nice fast replies, didnt want to repost, just edited... and it is hurting some ppl... Joe Smoe, had 9.4k, sells a few things real fast to get his 10k.... his first 10k ever... (note i said kamaden is where they r selling invites, that is noob island headquarters) even saw 1 guild selling invite for 1k... then guy joins guild 10 mins later needs another guild edit to add link to my other post Last edited by max gladius; Apr 06, 2007 at 12:02 AM // 00:02..*

Mar 30, 2007, 02:25 PM // 14:25	#2
Bankai Desert Nomad Join Date: Sep 2006 Guild: Bubblegum Dragons Profession: Mo/E	[izzy] was also inviting pvers for 10k, I believe, while they were rank 1. Ofcourse, it was a joke-guild. The only thing that bothers me is that they kick the person.

Mar 30, 2007, 02:26 PM // 14:26	#3
Lord Mendes Jungle Guide Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Derka-Derka Land Guild: Steel Phoenix (StP) Profession: E/	they can do whatever the hell they want, and they really dont care abt respect from RAers.

Mar 30, 2007, 02:26 PM // 14:26	#4
Llint Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2006	The real question you have to ask yourself is, is this hurting anybody? If someone wants the artificial 'fame' or cape(In the sense that its not actually theirs) then let them. I cant really say I care... Just my opinion though :P

Mar 30, 2007, 02:29 PM // 14:29	#5
Blame the Monks Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2006	The funny thing is people know they are being scammed and don't care. When my guild had a pseudo breakup, a guildmate sold invites. I was pissed and told them all they were being scammed. But none of them minded. They blabbered on about how it was an honor to have a silver cape for a little while and 25k wasn't much money and so on. They knew, and didn't care. What may seem like a scam to you seems like a perfectly reasonable purchase for others. Whatever tickles your pickle I suppose.

Mar 30, 2007, 02:32 PM // 14:32	#6
Elrodien Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Barbie's Motorhome Guild: The Biggyverse [PLEB] Profession: Me/	I seen a guy in Int districts in HA doing the same. I called him a scammer coz thats all it is. Whoever thought this was a great idea is an asshole and has no scruples or respect for anyone but themselves. The guild in question have members post here btw. Guys, you should know better you idiots.

Mar 30, 2007, 02:34 PM // 14:34	#7
yesitsrob Elite Guru Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Manchester, England Guild: SMS/Victrix	If they give them people they invite like some time to get a screenshot with the cape, I think that's fair. That's what a lot of these people want, I don't see any harm in making a bit of gold out of it.

Mar 30, 2007, 03:20 PM // 15:20	#9
Elrodien Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Barbie's Motorhome Guild: The Biggyverse [PLEB] Profession: Me/	Both parties DON'T know whats coming though. A friend of mine had nearly bought the invite thinking he was getting in the aformentioned guild to stay, not just for 10 mins. There are probably a lot of young pvpers out there thinking they have finally struck it lucky only to feel humiliated when they get kicked. The scammer doesn't make it clear that what he is selling is basically a photo oppurtunity. Maybe if they made this clear, it wouldn't stink so much, but they don't.

Mar 30, 2007, 04:09 PM // 16:09	#12
fenix Major-General Awesome Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Event Organiser and IRC Tiger Guild: Ex Talionis [Law], Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] ????????????????&# Profession: W/	Yeah, you're all wrong. The guilds in question aren't kicking people. They're just inviting them until they're full, because they're gonna remake the guild, so might as well let some players have fun by being in a top guild, and make a few plat out of it. I was talking to a guy from one of the guilds, he said that ~80 people had joined the guild, but 20 had left on their own accord, so there was still 60 there. If you are new, and pay to join the guild, then you shouldn't be playing imo. It' just retarded thinking that you have to pay 10k to actually join a guild that is being serious.

Mar 30, 2007, 05:19 PM // 17:19	#13
tomcruisejr Banned Join Date: Apr 2005	Counter-scam them. Tell them to send the Invite first and don't pay. They will kick you but your name is in their guild history. Win-win. Be wise guys.

Mar 30, 2007, 05:34 PM // 17:34	#14
Wilhelm Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada eh Guild: looking for mature, luxon pvx guild Profession: Mo/	In ID1 earlier, a certain Silver caped guild was spamming 10k for a day lawl. Then again, someone did pay 1000k for a Bronze Colored guild.

Mar 30, 2007, 06:15 PM // 18:15	#15
Sofonisba Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Guild: The Black Hand Gang [BHG] and The Black Helm Gang [BHeG]	I think the loss of respect the OP is talking about has to do with the fact that the top-ranked guilds who sell temp memberships are actually selling out their own hard work (or their fellow guildies' work) for a bit of cash. Not necessarily about the potential "scam" factor. Wow, now everyone can have a screenie of themselves wearing a champion's cape... how... very special... a'la "Yeah, that's me when I was in that rank 2 guild... but meh, I left to pursue other opportunities..."

Mar 30, 2007, 07:51 PM // 19:51	#17
Sofonisba Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Guild: The Black Hand Gang [BHG] and The Black Helm Gang [BHeG]	It's cool, really. You deserve something for your hard work, definitely, I'll agree with that. Just be aware that when peeps see gold/silver/bronze lined capes, that some (like me) will assume they're looking at someone who actually had zero to do with the guild's success.

Mar 30, 2007, 08:03 PM // 20:03	#18
max gladius Yep, really is me... Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: My House Guild: L33t	^^^ my point exactly! so, u got joe nub, paid 10k to get into ur guild, talks alot of smack, gets tuned up bad.... (done it got the video on youtube), then ur guild, as well as all other siver / bronze / whatever lined capes get bad raps.... and you, as a guild and pvper who worked hard to earn their cap, get bad raps..... finaly, someone sees my point...

Mar 30, 2007, 08:10 PM // 20:10	#19
headcarb Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2006 Location: England/Shing jea Profession: Rt/	seen team everfrost do it and kick

Mar 30, 2007, 08:34 PM // 20:34	#20
Nkah Sennyt Awaken from hiatus. Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Riding the spiral. Guild: No Fun Allowed [Vdya]	Guilds get cape trims from playing well, not being nice. There's nothing really wrong with what they're doing - the players don't have to accept the invite in the first place - imo, any blame rests squarely in their hands, not those "selling" the invites.